Zeel the Great.

Saturday, September 4, 2010

Debunking that Atheist Professor vs Christian Student bullcrap

The entire premise of this dialouge is that some hokey pokey christian addresses some ATHEIST professor and schools him by using bullshit logic. I am so, so, so, so, so, so tired of Christians using this conversation as some sort of trump card. Fuck this shit. Time to debunk your moronic crap.

Another Christian raises his hand. "Professor, may I address the class?"

The professor turns and smiles. "Ah, another Christian in the vanguard! Come, come, young man. Speak some proper wisdom to the gathering."

by the way, im horribly offended by how arrogant we 'atheists' are portrayed. If you stupid religious hicks didn't go around everyday denying facts, we wouldnt have to be in your face about it. We've practically been gentle with you for the rest of your life. so stuff it christians.

The Christian looks around the room. "Some interesting points you are making, sir. Now I've got a question for you. Is there such thing as heat?"

"Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."

"Is there such a thing as cold?"

"Yes, son, there's cold too."

"No, sir, there isn't."

The professor's grin freezes. The room suddenly goes very cold.

oh fucking brilliant, are we going to be using temperature related adjectives for the rest of the script? God, you christians. I know some stupid ass christian wrote this. fucking die.

The second Christian continues. "You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat but we don't have anything called 'cold'. We can hit 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than 458 - You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. Because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just..," [Silence fills the room] "...the absence of it." [More silence. A pin drops somewhere in the classroom.] "Is there such a thing as darkness, professor?"

Not even giving the imaginary professor time to rebuttal huh? Had you let him speak he would have owned this point 3 times over. YES, cold is just a word we use to describe the absence of 'heat'. What fucking point is that? Because you took the professor too literally? It's apparently a point. What is this crap? HUK HUK, there is NO COLD IT JUST ABSENCE OF HEAT! U WRONG PROFESSOR. fucking stupid. The funniest part is he owns himself in that paragraph, but oh no, hes going to try it again. whazzz darkness?

"That's a dumb question, son. What is night if it isn't darkness? What are you getting at...?"

"So you say there is such a thing as darkness?"


"You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something, it is the absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light, flashing light but if you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define the word. In reality, Darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make darkness darker and give me a jar of it. Can you...give me a jar of darker darkness, professor?"

I can't wrap my head around the logical fuckery in this paragraph. Surely this chrisitan realizes that the 'absence' of one thing is still another thing? The absence of red in orange is yellow.

Even if he doesn't. Why would that matter? clearly we consider darkness the absence of light. Both do exist. I love Chrisitans, they take things literal when its necessary for them, but when it comes to their own religious texts, oh no its symbolic. Also, you could fuck away his argument in like a simple second. Can you bottle 'light'? can you bottle air? I mean, what the fuck. Some things aren't tangible, that doesn't dismiss their existence at all.

And you bet your ass I could show you an example of dark, darker, darkest. it's called the value scale. look it up.

Despite himself, the professor smiles at the young effrontery before him. This will indeed be a good semester. "Would you mind telling us what your point is, young man?"

"Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to start with and so your conclusion must be in error...."

The professor goes toxic. "Flawed...? How dare you...!"

"Sir, may I explain what I mean?" The class is all ears.

"Explain...oh explain..." The professor makes an admirable effort to regain control. Suddenly he is affability itself. He waves his hand to silence the class, for the student to continue.

yeah, oh my fucking zombie jesus. some student read the first few chapters of the psychology text book, fucking oh no. this professor is having trouble keeping his composure. Get a fucking grip christians. what sickmind decided to mock up a situation where some assnoob owns a FUCKING professor? ONLY when you believe in parting the sea and a boat big enough to carry two animals of every species can you possibly concoct such a ludicrous reality. No time in this universe will Christians ever, EVER (put me on record for this) school an atheist who knows what the fuck they're talking about.

"You are working on the premise of duality," the Christian explains. "That for example there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, science cannot even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism but has never seen, much less fully understood them. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, merely the absence of it."

lolno. For fuck sakes. This writer can't even keep his story together. the assclown professor made NO such claim, but you know what. I will. A god can either be good, bad, or neither.. IT is impossible to be a mix of good and bad. They are mutually exclusive traits. so suck on it.

No one is viewing god as anything. ALL reasonable people just wonder. Hey, if this god exists, why do I need faith to believe in it? Then you guys throw out this 'omg we cant comprehend it' FUCK you bitch. I can comprehend grade 12 physics and that is aloooooooooot harder than some super diety with magic powers. My five senses have managed to work just fine up until you enter your Diety into the equation. If i have to disregard something that has kept me alive for my entire life JUST to believe in your god. Then, guess what? Lucifer is a calling. I'm sure he has lower standards.

The young man holds up a newspaper he takes from the desk of a neighbor who has been reading it. "Here is one of the most disgusting tabloids this country hosts, professor. Is there such a thing as immorality?"

"Of course there is, now look..."
"Wrong again, sir. You see, immorality is merely the absence of morality. Is there such thing as injustice? No. Injustice is the absence of justice. Is there such a thing as evil?" The Christian pauses. "Isn't evil the absence of good?" [The teacher is temporarily speechless.] The Christian continues. "If there is evil in the world, professor, and we all agree there is, then God, if he exists, must be accomplishing a work through the agency of evil. What is that work, God is accomplishing? The Bible tells us it is to see if each one of us will, of our own free will, choose good over evil."

blah, blah. oh my god, you're wrong because i take words completely literal. does this fuck for brains understand that words often time represent concepts? LOGIC, REASONING, INTELLIGENCE, these are words this nutjob should investigate. The professor was probably at awe at his act of douchery. I'm at awe still. Really? injustice doesn't exist? I DONT even understand the argument! injustice does not exist because injustice is the absence of justice! what the fuck? someone explain this argument to me. it still isn't making sense.

then he continues to justify his god. Well, all this killing, raping and pillaging is just a test by our creator. You know what? That somehow doesn't make it okay. Sick ass god and his stupid ass tests. WHY would a diety need to test me? if he wanted me to pass, he could just make me pass. End of story. Fucking psycho ass god. Such a ego this god has..

The professor bridles. "As a philosophical scientist, I don't view this matter as having anything to do with any choice; as a realist, I absolutely do not recognize the concept of God or any other theological factor as being part of the world equation because God is not observable."

we can't comprehend god at all, but oh yeah, he's real. geeeeeeeeeeeeet out of here. stupid chrisitans.

"I would have thought that the absence of God's moral code in this world is probably one of the most observable phenomena going," the Christian replies. "Newspapers make billions of dollars reporting it every week! Tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey?"

"If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man, yes, of course I do."

"Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?" [The professor makes a sucking sound with his teeth and gives his student a silent, stony stare.] "Professor. Since no-one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an ongoing endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a priest?"

IS THIS DUDE FUCKING WITH ME? First of all brainy-fucking-ac. EVOLUTION IS OBSERVABLE and HAS been observed. we have enough evidence to fill up a science classroom. something you obviously skipped. and hey? You wanna know some examples of evolution that we can see, right now?

How's that you stupid fuck. get a job you overpriced hippy. leave the science to the scientist, not the fringe fundamentalist christians.

"I'll overlook your impudence in the light of our philosophical discussion. Now, have you quite finished?" the professor hisses.

fucking hisses. are you kidding me with this? no one thinks this exchange is completely fabricated nonsense. HISSES? really. I mean, I WOULD hiss. this dude just butchered the evolutionary theory. I'd hiss because of his distortion of several facts.

So you don't accept God's moral code to do what is righteous?"

"I believe in what is-that's science!"

"Ahh! SCIENCE!" the student's face splits into a grin. "Sir, you rightly state that science is the study of observed phenomena. Science too is a premise which is flawed..."

end this. end this. Science is not perfect, but it doesn't claim to know it all. See, what science does. it makes a guess, then, here's where i guess you religious people clue out, it proves it. theres a reason we accept that the earth is round. not because we can all go to the moon and check it. We've developed a sense of security with science. we believe in science because it has consistently proven itself. if science tells me rain falls downwards and then shows how, why, when, where, what. I'm going to believe it.

"SCIENCE IS FLAWED?" the professor splutters. The class is in uproar.

The Christian remains standing until the commotion has subsided. "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student, may I give you an example of what I mean?" [The professor wisely keeps silent.] The Christian looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out in laughter.The Christian points towards his elderly, crumbling tutor. "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain...felt the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain?" No one appears to have done so. The Christian shakes his head sadly. "It appears no-one here has had any sensory perception of the professor's brain whatsoever. Well, according to the rules of empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science, I DECLARE that the professor has no brain."

stupid argument. if we did some silly doctor test we could see his brain, hell, kill the bastard and we could smell it, touch it, taste it (yummy) all that good stuff.

If anyone thought this was a good argument, you are emotionally and intellectually weak. There is a very REASONABLE reason why we accept many things without seeing it for ourselves. That sounds alot like Jesus Chr- WRONG. we accept these things because we trust our senses. Science has demonstrated to us why the brain is there, how it functions, why it functions, the whole sha-bang. Science approaches us and explains to us how. religion doesn't do this, thats why we can dismiss it without evidence. I'm not going to dismiss the laws of gravity just because i don't see it. I understand how it works, thats enough to qualify belief.

The class is in chaos. The Christian sits... Because that is what a chair is for.

fail him


  1. Why you would even waste time critiquing an argument as ridiculous as that one is beyond me. I would like to point something out, though. Science is based in a set of assumptions; the smaller and more accurate the assumptions are, the more useful and accepted they turn out to be. That's why Aristotle isn't regarded as very accurate anymore; the assumptions didn't hold up. The idea of God doesn't hold up simply because the assumption is far too all-encompassing, and thus entirely useless as far as science goes. Why a Christian would even try to argue for evidence of God is beyond me, as the entire religion openly admits to being based entirely in blind faith. You cannot argue for blind faith. There's no need to break it down any further than that.

  2. Simply "Blind Faith" is an insult to itself. You don't need to degrade it any further since it is the only gesture of which that does not need reasoning.

    We Atheist maybe harsh, however the truth is also harsh. We Atheist sometime disagree with each other. That is the bases of of reasoning and opinions. They go hand and hand.

    We make mistakes, however we move forward. We learn through our mistakes in order to move forward, that's how things our done. Religion will not admit that they are mistaken, hence they will never move forward.

    When Religious people have nothing else to say. They play the hurt card and tell us we are over reacting.

  3. It's like you took a stupid passage that any sensible person would dismiss and you just raged all over it without providing any real input. You didn't even address that we do not evolve from monkeys. We are a member of the ape family and we share a common ancestor with apes like gorillas and chimpanzees.

  4. The Thing here is, While I think you may make some good Points, your fountain of RAIGE doesn't really help your case.....

    I do think, however, that this "Conversation" is no such thing, as anyone with half a brain, no matter there beliefs, could see the flaws in the christians arguments. Plus the Authors bias is clear to see from such phrases as "The professor" (Wisely) Stayed silent." That "Wisely" right there says it all.

    1. Any story that has a christian trumping an atheist reaks of bias.

  5. hahahhahaha man this made me laugh, nice to see people as pissed of as I was when I read it.